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    Posted: November.21.2009 at 7:12am
An error has been identified in the December Fastrack. It will be corrected as below.  We apologize for the inconvenience.
 
Bob Dowie, CRB chairman
 
HP -  

1.    Add 100#s to 1493cc Honda powered cars in HP.

 

2.    Honda CRX and Civic 1.5 1493cc(88-91), p. 456-457, change the intake and exhaust valve size as follows: (I) 29.0 29.1 (E) 25.0 25.1.

 
 
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1.    Austin-Healey Sprite Mk. II, III, IV MG Midget Mk I, II, III, IV & 1500 Healy, p. 438-439, 1275 @ 1680 1275 @ 1630.

 

2.    Triumph Spitfire Mk.III, IV & 1500, p. 448-449, 1296 @ 1730 1296 @ 1680

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.10.2010 at 12:11pm
Mr Bob Dowie:
Are these the only errors that have been discovered?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.10.2010 at 3:22pm

Hi John,

 

Sorry about the delay getting back to you on your notes.

 

First off, yes they were the only Prod errors from that Fastrack.  

 

To answer some you’re other questions…

 

There’s no intention to eliminate the F Production class.  There is also no doubt that the production category has seen some changes, but that really has to be expected when you  look at how the production automobile has changed since the time you brought that Lotus home for the wife. 

 

 

 You asked about the weight gain on the Lotus going HP the car is currently at 1045 lbs in FP and we feel it can handle the 500 pound increase due to it being similar to the super seven that carries similar weight in FP.  

 

Thanks, Bob

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.11.2010 at 2:26pm
John asked me to read your reply. Good thing,
To clarify:
1. He did not buy our 7A for me. I bought it in 1965.
2. The only way the Lotus Super 7 is like a Lotus 7A
is appearance. As far as I know, the 7A comes with a
948cc Sprite engine, or the small Ford (less than
1000ccs). The Super 7 comes with a 14XXcc engine.
Quite a difference. Unless you've had a heavenly
conversation with Mr. Chapman that none of us are
privy to, these cars should pack different weights.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.11.2010 at 5:23pm

Hello Pat,

I apologize for miss reading Johns earlier note, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect or to display a chauvinistic attitude.  

While I was not able to channel Mr. Chapman; I was able to question our knowledgeable Prod Ad Hoc committee on the Lotus 7 being able to handle the weight imposed on it in HP.  They assured me that the chassis shares many similer parts and can handle task, and pointed out that one of the cars that ran with a 948 in the recent past has been running the 14XXcc engine for the last couple of years.

Just to be sure we're clear, the 14XXcc powered Lotus is in FP at 1530 pounds.  While 948cc car is classed in HP at 1550.

Thanks, Bob Dowie

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.11.2010 at 5:41pm
Apology accepted.
Handle is a weird word. Of course, the car will not
collapse, but, that weight is a car killer, at least the
7A. Adding 50% (rough guess) more weight than its
original manufactured weight is worse than putting
out a heavy anchor. Having driven it with a 200# lead
weight, and finding the car totally lost its eagerness
was very discouraging, and this is with a fully
developed 948 engine. The only place left for the car
is in some historic racing group; SCCA's loss.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.14.2010 at 10:57am
While I am not familiar with the current membership of the Production ad
hoc committee, I hope to do some research on their respective backgrounds.
It will also be most helpful to learn of your background. Do you drive a
current FP model?
The reason I ask is it has been my experience various SCCA folks start
pursuing a personal agenda after being appointed to an SCCA committee. I
suggest that's not how you make it into the SCCA Hall of Fame.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.21.2010 at 12:09pm
Brother Dowie,
R.J. Gordy tells me you are one of the "Good Guys."
    With that, may I suggest the problem is your CRB predecessors kept
changing the Lotus Super 7 from CP/DP where it started to F Prepared where
it doesn't belong. And you and your committee putting over 700 pounds on
any Production automobile in order to make it "fit" is just too much of too
much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.31.2010 at 8:49am
Hi Bob,  i am really disappointed to see the weight added to honda cars in hp. I did not see any request in fast track for this rule change so i assume the competion board made this decision based on the runnoffs. crx ran away in gtl but no rule change.  1st the rule reads honda 1493 vehicles but dont see weight added to 84 to 87 hondas in rule book. second you inclued the civic with does not share the same wheel base or aerodynamics as the crx.  i have run a 1990 civic since 2002 and spent many years in G producion with an uncompetetive car with many attempts for rule change.  Now that the car (One in paticular) is competetive in class we are immediatly penalized.  please reconsider the rule change.  Thanks,  Terry Boylan
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January.31.2010 at 9:30pm
Re:Lotus 7A HP weight; Why would an HP car of any make be comparable to an FP car with 50 per cent more displacement when assigning weight? Ie; Super 7-14xxcc @ 1530, 7A 948cc @ 1550 what was the "logic" used to arrive at those figures?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February.06.2010 at 4:34pm
Attention "Old Fart":
Maybe it relates to the fact there were no Lotus 7A entries at last year's
National Runoffs at Road America. It's how the person who doesn't show
up for a meeting is the one who will be elected.
Ignorance?
Maybe a "death wish" on the part of the committee.
Stupidity?
Lack of knowledge?
Lack of brainpower?
Part of the SCCA program calling for revenge on all things Lotus?
Lack of an intelligent response is also an answer.
Justification of a 500 pound bonus weight as intelligent rule making, It's
actually over 700 pounds but when we're dealing with SCCA rule making,
what's few extra 100 pounds.
As a 40-plus year (since 1969) member it make me sad I paid dues for
2010.
I note FP had only two entries from the West Coast at Road America.
As the Forum monitors will see this message as a personal attack, they
will most likely erase it.
--John Kelly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February.08.2010 at 8:44am
The author of this thread posted a correction to a ruling made in Fastrack.

If you would like to see a change to an existing rule, please write an email explaining your request to crb@scca.com

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